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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by handsome -
Thanks for the welcome, Christian
    Yes, Hubbard used drive and changed it to dynamics and then being. He defined dynamics as drives and motives and motivations to survive. To me it doesn’t add up.
    He wrote in Dianetics; “The Dynamic Principle of Existence is Survive.” Sort of like, to survive for the purpose of surviving.  This is doesn’t add up. 
  My teammates and I discovered that to survive in the physical universe for the sake of survival is not a good explanation. Simply put, the best we have come up with, so far, that explains it better, is that the spiritual being’s accomplishment of the main or prime goal, the vision, the codes etc., is what fuels the drive that impels, pushes, motivates and commands, compels survival via a body in the physical universe.
    To accomplish the goal is the drive and motivation for survival.
    So the goal is senior to survival and drives, impels, motivates it etc.
    The accomplishment of the goals; one’s codes, to be the richest man alive, to marry the most beautiful woman in the universe, to build the tallest building in the world, to be the best boxer ever, to marry the richest man, to be the best Hollywood movie actor, to paint the sky pink etc., etc. These appear to be the reasons a Spirit Being along with his teammates will create the right identity, get into the appropriate body etc., and persist, survive and better yet prevail and give it all he has, claw his way to the finish line through that body persisting to exist till his last breath to accomplish his goal. This makes more sense to me.
    Of course, there are all sorts of complexities like implanted goals, automatic identities etc., etc., but that is another matter.

    It appears that there are the goals of the Spirit Being and his teammates which,                I mentioned above but, there very likely is a set of goals for the body and its Spiritual Teammates also. These goals would have to be in alignment with the Spirit Being and teammates’ goals, missions etc., occupying and using that body.
    If the Spirit being and teammates’ goal is to be the best professional basketball player, the body’s goal would be one that is fairly tall, be in top physical condition and health, have extreme endurance and other characteristics fit for that sport.
    So it appears that there is a pre-selection by the Spirit Being and teammates before the body is even born. Sort of like it has to happen first in the Spiritual realm before it becomes a reality. Sort of like, we are constantly creating our futures now.
    I have been looking into the Spiritual Domains of Existence. I am trying to sort them out. It takes some studying in order to understand them. They are definitely not for a typical newbie. I am reading the book Gods in Disguise now. 
    I like that these domains are also used as a map for processing. That is exciting to see what one has to go through and take responsibility for.
    I suppose these could also be called the map of unusual solutions and the way back out.

      When I look at the Spiritual Domains of Existences it appears to me that as an orientation point there might be a step higher than 1 that would not be a Spiritual Domain of Existence.                                  1. THE HEAVENS UNIVERSE – THE LOVING INFINITE UNITY OF SUPREME SPIRITS CO-EXISTING AS SUPREME BEINGS.  It appears to me that this is a step below SUPREME SPIRIT, INFINITY, SOURCE, STATIC.                                                                                                                      It appears to me that Spiritual Domain 1 is combining SUPREME SPIRIT, INFINITY, SOURCE, STATIC, MOVER UNMOVED, GOD, CREATOR and SUPREME BEINGS in the same Domain.  These are two different concepts that should be separated for the sake of simplicity and clarity. 
    The SUPREME BEING concept is that of having an existence, a beingness, reality, time, space etc. This is different than SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, STATIC, INFINITY which we would define as not being in the universes or domains of existence but outside of them. It has no time, no space, no form, no beingness, no existence, no location but it has infinite potential and ability etc.                      It appears that the SUPREME BEING OR BEINGS can have existence and be in a HEAVENS UNIVERSE / SPIRITUAL DOMAIN OF EXISTENCE. This would appear as appropriate as I think that the word HEAVEN or HEAVENS is associated with a place or location where deities, saints, angels and the SUPREME BEING / BEINGS etc., live, exist.
    It appears to me that the step above the first Spiritual Domain of Existence is not a Spiritual Domain of Existence or a universe or a heaven. It is just SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, CREATOR, INFINITY.
    I would call the chart of the domains of existence something like SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, CREATOR, INFINITY and its Creations, Fractionations, Extensions, manifestations: The Spiritual Domains of Existence.                                                                 Alan stated in the Gods in Disguise book, on page 57, quote; “The SUPREME BEING separated into trillions of separate SUPREME SPIRITS.”  I believe he meant to say; The SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, INFINITY, CREATOR separated into trillions of separate SUPREME BEINGS (having existence).
      I like the use of the word manifested rather than separated.  Separated or fractionalized tends to lead one to think that, that which has separated or fractionalized has been exhausted or lessened in quantity.
      Although SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, INFINITY, CREATOR has separated, manifested into becoming SPIRIT BEINGS it did not exhaust in the least, as it is INFINITE and for all we know it is still manifesting as such.                                                                                                                        I Would put the Spiritual Domain of Existence 1 as;                                                                                1. THE HEAVENS UNIVERSE – THE LOVING INFINITE UNITY OF CO-EXISTING SUPREME BEINGS.
      Even the word loving and being appears to fit better into the above heading as I consider them as concepts relative to existence.
      I believe that clarifying these key concepts first can help speed one’s spiritual progress.
    Anyway, as you guys can see, I am trying to sort it all out. HELP!                                                       
      I tried the link below but it is not working. I would like to read that New Axiom.
https://ascensionism.org/forum/index.php?topic=3.msg5#msg5).

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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Christian -
Thank you, Roger!

One thing I like the most about processing another is that I actually get to see how the client "groks" the question (or not at all).

This mass was so huge that the client went absent (literally fell asleep into what we called "boil-off" in the earliest tech). I was hesitant to move on with the commands. Not sure if I should let them boil it off or ask the command. Eventually I gently asked the question again "What is its weight?" (it was this question that triggered it). 

Asking for the moods actually got it going again. Often it's the moods that keep the mass "glued" together from my observation. Very productive. And the duration question often causes an instant disentanglement with the "thing". There is the thing on the time trail and there is the being outside of time itself, as it were.  :D

But please tell me, what to do when the client runs into a boil-off? Sit back, patiently, and let it bleed out all by itself or gently nudge them through? 


@Jorge S.‍ yes I hear you. In this particular case the Mass was an "avoidance mechanism". Avoidance to take charge, be causative,  and some of the "phrases/impulses" went along the line of "don't you even dare". So, this mass, unhandled, caused a lot of trouble in a particular vital area of livingness. It's actually rather astonishing how a Mass like this goes unnoticed or not recognized as such. For most people it seems like "this is the way life is".
Also interesting, once I rephrased the question from "any control or command phrases" to the other one asking for impulses, the client first said what the impulse was and then following this came a bunch of actual phrases that would be representative of the impulse. 

Christian
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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Roger Boswarva -
 YES!  Bloody brilliant!!!

This is particularly important with folks whose second language is English . . . they can tend to have a more restricted and precise definition and use of words (like Phrase) than a native English speaker.

And to be honest, I really never did see where the hell and why the hell Alan came up with the use of "Phrase" . . . it's a word I've personally used so very rarely, it actually feels aukward to me.

Case items like masses, pains, and old hung up solutions typically rest on are hung up on and energized by decisions, commands, intentions, forces, solutions, beliefs, precepts, wants, and such.

This also a demonstration of why it is important to check new clients on their understanding of the commands.

Big well done on this, Christian!!!

Rog
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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Jorge S. -
Hi mate!

Good win!   (K&  thanks for sharing!

Yes! Sometimes I haven't found words or phrases, but rather symbols or images, and then sometimes I also articulate them into a phrase for appropriate handling. I had never considered it as an impulse intended to control or command, but it sounds good so that both the client and I can fully understand the question when clearing it before processing, and thus be able to examine that part of the mass and completely vanish it.

The part about explaining an intention as a purpose that must be fulfilled also sounds very good for clearing the question and what it looks for. Another thing I like to look for in intentions or command phrases, besides unpleasant effects like "staying small," etc., after understanding what Roger taught us about "solutions," is how they can serve and function as a solution to avoid dealing with the initial problem, such as "making me not get out of bed all day so I don't have to go to work," etc.  ;D
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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Christian -
Hey everyone,

I wanted to share a technical observation I made today and a practical facilitation tip from a session I ran today.
While delivering a Mass Handling process, I stumbled upon a vital realization regarding how we query the charge on a client's case—specifically when standard verbal prompts seem to educe nothing.

Control/Command Phrases vs. Non-Verbal Control/Command Impulses
During the session, I asked the standard question:
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"Are there any control or command phrases in this mass?"
The client looked, paused, and said: "No. No phrases."

Usually, I would accept this at face value and move on. But I paused and thought to myself: Okay, there are no "phrases," but... A phrase is composed of words. But on the downward time trail, words are a very late development. Long before Beings formulated spoken language or written words, we operated on raw, non-verbal, spiritual concepts, vectors of force, and pure intentional impulses.

I acknowledged their answer and pivoted, bypassing the verbal level to target the raw spiritual phenomenon directly:
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"Connected to the mass, is there some kind of impulse in there intended to control or command you?"
The result was instant.
The client immediately began educing everything that was locked up in that mass, and went through a series of profound cognitions. Truth Phenomena came in. The mass instantly pulled back to a huge distance. While not completely dissipated yet, it was a massive win and an incredible release of trapped life-force particles.

We paused there to let the client cognite and realize just how long this mass had been silently running their life from behind the scenes.

There was another question in the process the client didn't have an answer to:
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"What are its intentions?"
Here also, the client had no answer. The question simply didn't produce any movement or data.
Why? Because an "intention" implies an active, personified identity or Beingness behind the mass. If the mass is perceived merely as a dense, unliving spiritual object, some clients have a hard time to attribute "intentions" to it.

I adjusted my approach and asked:
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"Does this Mass have or fulfill some kind of purpose?"
Bingo. The floodgates opened again. "Yadda, yadda, yadda..." followed by deep cognitions.

The Takeaway
Words are merely symbols and representations of observed phenomena or of spiritual concepts. When we are processing a client, we are working with layers of case that often pre-date verbal language.

If a client tells you there are no "phrases" or "intentions" in a mass, don't assume the mass has no purpose or is empty of control.

Would love to hear if any of you have made similar adjustments in your sessions!

Best regards,
Christian
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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by Jorge S. -
Hi @handsome‍ ,  your insights never stop!

Quote from: handsome on
I noticed that in Ascensionism the SPIEPIR  is a good entrance point and it orientates the being correctly.
It puts the being at cause right away:

Totally agree! In fact, I teach it to my friends who want to improve in a particular area and to the people I coach in their initial reaching. It's very powerful when they knowingly put it into practice!

The SPIEPIR sequence, or Ability Paradigm as Alan Walter also called it, was the tech aspect that made me realize and decide to continue learning everything this tech after I'd just read the first book. Roger has continued the research (adding the Evaluation vital step - SPEIEPIR) and, from my point of view, explaining and made it clearer to understand and apply without adding complexity at the first contact and makes it easier for people to knowingly implement it in their lives.
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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by handsome -
I appreciate your acknowledgement on my ascencion win, Jorge.

You are right that being in a position of cause is where everyone needs to be.

I noticed that in Ascensionism the SPIEPIR  is a good entrance point and it orientates the being correctly.
It puts the being at cause right away:
I, Spirit Being, of my own full volition and determination
in the full beingness of my chosen Identity of THE ONE,
fully Present in this here and now domain of existence and in this place of my choosing, 
I Permeate the allness
I Perceive and become aware of all there is (selectively ;) ),
I Evaluate the if's and what's and who's and wherenesess and hows
and I Intend, for I am THE ONE
and so, I Envision ( make a goal)
and I create a special Identity to manifest the new vision
which I Project to my teammates and that in their kindness agree with it and contribute to it becoming a reality,
and so, in my new identity I create a Plan with the who what where how, when, where etc.,
And we Implement the plan with the help of my great, able, magnanimous and kind teammates that appear into the futures and magically open the doors, make it possible, align all the details and we make the plan into a reality, Result and so molds existence,
and for our co-creation in the adventure of living, I now  Appreciate and Reward myself and teammates.
Just like you said:
"Being in a position of Cause and knowing our true spiritual nature, skills, abilities, and powers, we can focus on creating a greater collective good that benefits all our allied teams and teammates, regardless of their form, composition, or species."

Expanded it into: SIPPPEIEIPPIRAAR:
Spiritual Being, Identity in, Presence, Permeate, Perceive, Evaluate, Intend, Envision, new Identity to manifest the vision, Project vision to teammates, Plan, Implement, Results, Acknowledge, Appreciate and Reward self and teammates. 
Just playing with it.
(Subject to modification as my teammates decide)


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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by Christian -
Welcome handsome.

In Ascensionsim (and Knowledgism) the framework of "dynamics" is not used as a reference.
Actaully Hubbard used the term "drive" in his earliest manuscripts but then changed it to "dynamic" and used it instead. So it was a concept of what "drives" a person or a living organism and his answer "to survive = the dynamic principle of life". Only to change it a few years later and tell his audience that it's actually all about "being".  :D

In Ascensionism we have the chart of the Spiritual Domains of Existence. While it looks somewhat akin to the dynamics, it's actually used in a totally different manner than the dynamics and also acts as a map in processing (helps you locate When/Where).

And then the New Axiom One that describes the Lifeforce Presence (in this post, further down: https://ascensionism.org/forum/index.php?topic=3.msg5#msg5).

Instead of dotting yourself at the center of the "dynamics" and then "expand outwards", the approach here is to realize the truth of Who and What you are. This is a different perspective, it's top-down rather than bottom-up.

While the concept of dynamics had some merit (I used it) it is limited as a tool and not really a good guide in processing.

Have you read the materials on The Spiritual Domains of Existence (aka "The Universes")?
Best regards,
Christian

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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by Jorge S. -
Hello @handsome‍ , great cognition!

From my point of view one of the main tasks when approaching this technology of Ascensionism is to know one's own true nature, as well as one's spiritual skills, abilities, and powers. This is a very powerful and correct entry point that helps to advance in processing and in life, since the moment one can reclaim their position as Cause instead of being in effect, one can move more quickly toward achieving their dreams and aspirations.

By focusing our life force on this physical universe or realm of existence, we require its own tools to operate and interact, as well as alliances with teams with whom we can align our efforts and create mutual exchanges that contribute to achieving collective dreams and aspirations.

Being in a position of Cause and knowing our true spiritual nature, skills, abilities, and powers, we can focus on creating a greater collective good that benefits all our allied teams and teammates, regardless of their form, composition, or species.

Keep winning!
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Wins & Successes In Application / THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by handsome -
I would like to get some feedback on this post to try to figure out what is the best arrangement of the dynamics or best concept.
As an introductory tool the dynamics can have a tremendous impact on a person's Spiritual growth.

Recently, it appeared to me that the dynamics as we learned them in the church are laid out in mystery, in the Know to mystery Scale:
1. self, 2. Family Sex, 3. Groups, 4. Human race, 5. All life, 6. MEST, 7. Spirit, 8. God, Creator, Static, Source - The usual sequence and concentric circles.
This introduction chart of the dynamics could be a hindering factor on Spiritual progress.
Also, Source / Creator / Static, is incorrectly labeled as a dynamic when in actual fact it is the Source / Creator of the dynamics.
This, in realty, is altered sequence and altered importance.
My observation is that, Static / Source is not a dynamic by its definition. Source creates and uses the dynamics as interfaces to interact in the Spiritual, MEST and other universes.
One can split hairs and say that the Static is the dynamics and therefore is a dynamic by consideration etc., but for analyzing, evaluating and for practical orientation purposes it is better to consider Source as Source and not a dynamic. It makes a difference in viewpoint.
When I rewrote the dynamics by putting Static / Creator / Source in the center and assumed that viewpoint I had a tremendous ascension that continues even now.
I had another person do that same drill and she also had a major ascension.

Maybe one can write the sequence of the dynamics for oneself better if one starts with Source/ Creator / Static at the center of the circles or before the beginning of a sequence and then figure out which should be the first dynamic and then the second and so on. A very interesting exercise!
It appears that the dynamics are very personal and unique to each being.
 I believe that one can go a long way Spiritually by doing the exercise of just starting with Source in the center or in a sequence write the dynamics down as one sees fit and later, after having new insights, cognitions, realizations, ascensions, changes of viewpoints etc., one can change them according to the new viewpoint.

The number of dynamics are endless and is mind boggling but for most people it is best to keep it simple and start on a gradient.
The drill can even include the details of one's goals, identities, different minds, Matrices, universes etc.
After all, the dynamics or interfaces are what we use to operate in the different universes.
Here is an example (General off-the-cuff example. You can make your own anyway you want):
Source and the dynamics / creations chart
SOURCE/CREATOR/GOD/STATIC: 
Dynamics / Creations 1. A code or codes, goal or goals, 2. Spirit Being, 3. Spirit beings, identities,  4. Many different created spiritual universes, 5. MEST universe, 5A. Inorganic Universe,
5B. Organic life: All life: Animals, plant life, human bodies etc, 6. Self (composite human beings: Codes, goals, Spirit being, identities, different Minds like super conscious,  unconscious etc., matrices, genetic entity, body), 7. Marriage, family, sex, 8. Groups 9. Human races, 10. Artificial Intelligence, 11. Robots, 12. Aliens (Extra Terrestrials) etc., etc.
It could be that any subject or area of life can be a dynamic like music, religion, science, ethics etc.
Anything in the MEST energy and objects universe including the electron, the proton, any life force particles or energy manifestation, grains of sand etc. are all part of the dynamics.
You can add your own dynamics the way you see fit.

It could be that if a new person starting out were to be introduced to a basic variation of the Chart of Source and the dynamics as above, he/she would get a better spiritual orientation and alignment from the very beginning and life and auditing and training would be easier. It would help him/her understand his/her composite case better and get the certainty of Source / Creator and its relationship and interactions to its creations, the dynamics.
There is a lot more to be said including definitions etc., but we can add it as we go.

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