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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by Roger Boswarva -

Folks, this app is not responding as I am used it doing . . . no "copy/paste."
What is attached was written by me over several days in between visits to doctors and attorneys. Hence I typically compose my pieces in MS Word and then copy/paste into the forum.

Today I'll have to do it as an attachment!!  >:(
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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by handsome -
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From Christian:
I wanted to share a technical observation I made today and a practical facilitation tip from a session I ran today.
While delivering a Mass Handling process, I stumbled upon a vital realization regarding how we query the charge on a client's case—specifically when standard verbal prompts seem to educe nothing.

Control/Command Phrases vs. Non-Verbal Control/Command Impulses
During the session, I asked the standard question:
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"Are there any control or command phrases in this mass?"
The client looked, paused, and said: "No. No phrases."

Usually, I would accept this at face value and move on. But I paused and thought to myself: Okay, there are no "phrases," but... A phrase is composed of words. But on the downward time trail, words are a very late development. Long before Beings formulated spoken language or written words, we operated on raw, non-verbal, spiritual concepts, vectors of force, and pure intentional impulses.

I acknowledged their answer and pivoted, bypassing the verbal level to target the raw spiritual phenomenon directly:
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"Connected to the mass, is there some kind of impulse in there intended to control or command you?"
That is beautiful christian!
It is what I call processing at its best. It is the ideal style of processing as it is intuitive. It is having pure presence, it is being in communication with the person, the case etc., and permeating it lovingly with the correct intention that leads to the ideal result.
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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Roger Boswarva -
Christian asked

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But please tell me, what to do when the client runs into a boil-off? Sit back, patiently, and let it bleed out all by itself or gently nudge them through? 

The trick here is to always educe . . .

Basically there are dozens of questions you can ask . . . the trick is to develop your repertoire of patters.  

"What's going on there?
"Something changed in the mass, incident?
"Something new turned on?
"Is this yours, a Spiritual Teammate's or a Hidden Who's?
"Have we accessed an earlier similar, or basic, or basic to the chain of this mass/incident?

Note that both misownership, or switching incidents (starting on one and not realizing  you've accessed a new/different mass or Incident hence the new one is being run in a wrong time/location for it) will cause a beef-up and dope-off.

And, we do have the Correction Lists which check for all the possible whys things bog.

Rog


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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by Christian -
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Simply put, the best we have come up with, so far, that explains it better, is that the spiritual being’s accomplishment of the main or prime goal, the vision, the codes etc., is what fuels the drive that impels, pushes, motivates and commands, compels survival via a body in the physical universe.
    To accomplish the goal is the drive and motivation for survival.
    So the goal is senior to survival and drives, impels, motivates it etc.

Yes, this is well put.

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Alan stated in the Gods in Disguise book, on page 57, quote; “The SUPREME BEING separated into trillions of separate SUPREME SPIRITS.”  I believe he meant to say; The SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, INFINITY, CREATOR separated into trillions of separate SUPREME BEINGS (having existence).
      I like the use of the word manifested rather than separated.  Separated or fractionalized tends to lead one to think that, that which has separated or fractionalized has been exhausted or lessened in quantity.
You are actually spot on with that distinction. When the infinite manifests, it doesn’t get "lessened" or exhausted—much like a single candle lighting a million others doesn't lose its flame.

But here is the catch—and it is a trap that almost all of us with a strong analytical drive easily fall into:
Words are not truths, just pointers and approximations.
If we get too busy rearranging the furniture in the intellectual department, we end up swimming in Significance (thinking about the truth) rather than experiencing Presence (being the truth). On the downward time trail of a Being, words, labels, and definitions are very late developments.  Trying to find the ultimate truth by debating the perfect wording is a bit like trying to eat the menu instead of the meal.

The greatest breakthroughs happen when we shift from thinking and theorizing about the perfect description to actually run the processes.

Some of the most potent solo processes look incredibly "unimpressive" on paper. They seem so simple that the analytical mind wants to scoff at them and say, "That's too basic to do anything." But those are the exact tools that bypass the verbal, thinking mind and drop you straight into experiential truth.

I highly encourage you to put the book down for a moment, get some paper and pens ready and run a process. Vital Fundamental #1 is one such process. It is one that is used by the newbies and advanced practitioners alike.
The intellectual thirst is great and will continue, but the experiential win is where your power actually lies!

Best regards,
Christian
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Wins & Successes In Application / Re: THE DYNAMICS REVISITED
Last post by handsome -
Thanks for the welcome, Christian
    Yes, Hubbard used drive and changed it to dynamics and then being. He defined dynamics as drives and motives and motivations to survive. To me it doesn’t add up.
    He wrote in Dianetics; “The Dynamic Principle of Existence is Survive.” Sort of like, to survive for the purpose of surviving.  This is doesn’t add up. 
  My teammates and I discovered that to survive in the physical universe for the sake of survival is not a good explanation. Simply put, the best we have come up with, so far, that explains it better, is that the spiritual being’s accomplishment of the main or prime goal, the vision, the codes etc., is what fuels the drive that impels, pushes, motivates and commands, compels survival via a body in the physical universe.
    To accomplish the goal is the drive and motivation for survival.
    So the goal is senior to survival and drives, impels, motivates it etc.
    The accomplishment of the goals; one’s codes, to be the richest man alive, to marry the most beautiful woman in the universe, to build the tallest building in the world, to be the best boxer ever, to marry the richest man, to be the best Hollywood movie actor, to paint the sky pink etc., etc. These appear to be the reasons a Spirit Being along with his teammates will create the right identity, get into the appropriate body etc., and persist, survive and better yet prevail and give it all he has, claw his way to the finish line through that body persisting to exist till his last breath to accomplish his goal. This makes more sense to me.
    Of course, there are all sorts of complexities like implanted goals, automatic identities etc., etc., but that is another matter.

    It appears that there are the goals of the Spirit Being and his teammates which,                I mentioned above but, there very likely is a set of goals for the body and its Spiritual Teammates also. These goals would have to be in alignment with the Spirit Being and teammates’ goals, missions etc., occupying and using that body.
    If the Spirit being and teammates’ goal is to be the best professional basketball player, the body’s goal would be one that is fairly tall, be in top physical condition and health, have extreme endurance and other characteristics fit for that sport.
    So it appears that there is a pre-selection by the Spirit Being and teammates before the body is even born. Sort of like it has to happen first in the Spiritual realm before it becomes a reality. Sort of like, we are constantly creating our futures now.
    I have been looking into the Spiritual Domains of Existence. I am trying to sort them out. It takes some studying in order to understand them. They are definitely not for a typical newbie. I am reading the book Gods in Disguise now. 
    I like that these domains are also used as a map for processing. That is exciting to see what one has to go through and take responsibility for.
    I suppose these could also be called the map of unusual solutions and the way back out.

      When I look at the Spiritual Domains of Existences it appears to me that as an orientation point there might be a step higher than 1 that would not be a Spiritual Domain of Existence.                                  1. THE HEAVENS UNIVERSE – THE LOVING INFINITE UNITY OF SUPREME SPIRITS CO-EXISTING AS SUPREME BEINGS.  It appears to me that this is a step below SUPREME SPIRIT, INFINITY, SOURCE, STATIC.                                                                                                                      It appears to me that Spiritual Domain 1 is combining SUPREME SPIRIT, INFINITY, SOURCE, STATIC, MOVER UNMOVED, GOD, CREATOR and SUPREME BEINGS in the same Domain.  These are two different concepts that should be separated for the sake of simplicity and clarity. 
    The SUPREME BEING concept is that of having an existence, a beingness, reality, time, space etc. This is different than SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, STATIC, INFINITY which we would define as not being in the universes or domains of existence but outside of them. It has no time, no space, no form, no beingness, no existence, no location but it has infinite potential and ability etc.                      It appears that the SUPREME BEING OR BEINGS can have existence and be in a HEAVENS UNIVERSE / SPIRITUAL DOMAIN OF EXISTENCE. This would appear as appropriate as I think that the word HEAVEN or HEAVENS is associated with a place or location where deities, saints, angels and the SUPREME BEING / BEINGS etc., live, exist.
    It appears to me that the step above the first Spiritual Domain of Existence is not a Spiritual Domain of Existence or a universe or a heaven. It is just SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, CREATOR, INFINITY.
    I would call the chart of the domains of existence something like SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, CREATOR, INFINITY and its Creations, Fractionations, Extensions, manifestations: The Spiritual Domains of Existence.                                                                 Alan stated in the Gods in Disguise book, on page 57, quote; “The SUPREME BEING separated into trillions of separate SUPREME SPIRITS.”  I believe he meant to say; The SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, INFINITY, CREATOR separated into trillions of separate SUPREME BEINGS (having existence).
      I like the use of the word manifested rather than separated.  Separated or fractionalized tends to lead one to think that, that which has separated or fractionalized has been exhausted or lessened in quantity.
      Although SUPREME SPIRIT, SOURCE, INFINITY, CREATOR has separated, manifested into becoming SPIRIT BEINGS it did not exhaust in the least, as it is INFINITE and for all we know it is still manifesting as such.                                                                                                                        I Would put the Spiritual Domain of Existence 1 as;                                                                                1. THE HEAVENS UNIVERSE – THE LOVING INFINITE UNITY OF CO-EXISTING SUPREME BEINGS.
      Even the word loving and being appears to fit better into the above heading as I consider them as concepts relative to existence.
      I believe that clarifying these key concepts first can help speed one’s spiritual progress.
    Anyway, as you guys can see, I am trying to sort it all out. HELP!                                                       
      I tried the link below but it is not working. I would like to read that New Axiom.
https://ascensionism.org/forum/index.php?topic=3.msg5#msg5).

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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Christian -
Thank you, Roger!

One thing I like the most about processing another is that I actually get to see how the client "groks" the question (or not at all).

This mass was so huge that the client went absent (literally fell asleep into what we called "boil-off" in the earliest tech). I was hesitant to move on with the commands. Not sure if I should let them boil it off or ask the command. Eventually I gently asked the question again "What is its weight?" (it was this question that triggered it). 

Asking for the moods actually got it going again. Often it's the moods that keep the mass "glued" together from my observation. Very productive. And the duration question often causes an instant disentanglement with the "thing". There is the thing on the time trail and there is the being outside of time itself, as it were.  :D

But please tell me, what to do when the client runs into a boil-off? Sit back, patiently, and let it bleed out all by itself or gently nudge them through? 


@Jorge S.‍ yes I hear you. In this particular case the Mass was an "avoidance mechanism". Avoidance to take charge, be causative,  and some of the "phrases/impulses" went along the line of "don't you even dare". So, this mass, unhandled, caused a lot of trouble in a particular vital area of livingness. It's actually rather astonishing how a Mass like this goes unnoticed or not recognized as such. For most people it seems like "this is the way life is".
Also interesting, once I rephrased the question from "any control or command phrases" to the other one asking for impulses, the client first said what the impulse was and then following this came a bunch of actual phrases that would be representative of the impulse. 

Christian
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Education, Case Notes and Advices / Re: Technicality: control and command phrases
Last post by Roger Boswarva -
 YES!  Bloody brilliant!!!

This is particularly important with folks whose second language is English . . . they can tend to have a more restricted and precise definition and use of words (like Phrase) than a native English speaker.

And to be honest, I really never did see where the hell and why the hell Alan came up with the use of "Phrase" . . . it's a word I've personally used so very rarely, it actually feels aukward to me.

Case items like masses, pains, and old hung up solutions typically rest on are hung up on and energized by decisions, commands, intentions, forces, solutions, beliefs, precepts, wants, and such.

This also a demonstration of why it is important to check new clients on their understanding of the commands.

Big well done on this, Christian!!!

Rog
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