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HOW and WHY BASIC PROCESSES WORK


HOW and WHY BASIC PROCESSES WORK

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Mario and Roger chat on what happens when you ask basic process questions . . . why, for example, does a negative come to view and fly off when you address a positive or ask a positive question.

Also discussed was the nuances to observe when running physical and/or objective processes like SPIEPIR or the Presence Process One.

Mario asks why certain basic processes work as they do.

Rog


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Reply #1 –
Puts a smile on my face  :))

Thank you for sharing.

Really good conversation with very good bits of data.

Especially when something "negative" comes up when the question asks for a "positive".

Roger, what would you advise: when in session with a client, the client may not right away give away the answer with a negative item when he is supposed to look for a positive.
How long should I as the processor wait for the answer?
It may be visible that he is in a figure-figure mode, with a slight mood drop, on a meter a blow-down may manifest without an answer from the client.
Reminds me that I might have bypassed charge by one of my clients in the past on something like this.
Now watching your chat I think it is good to ask: "did you think of something?" when the client is hesitant to answer but the indicators are there that he has something.

Best regards,
Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #2 –

Christian wrote:
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Roger, what would you advise: when in session with a client, the client may not right away give away the answer with a negative item when he is supposed to look for a positive.
How long should I as the processor wait for the answer?
Oh, Oh, I perceive some arbitrary introduced “supposed to’s” introduced here.

Best to re-hear the video and see exactly what I was responding to . . . Mario told me he did not understand why negative answers were popping to view when asked a positive question, and not understanding why, wanted me to explain the mechanism.

What you wrote above makes it look as though you feel the client “should” pop with a negative when asked a positive question or given a positive command.

There is NO “should”  . . . The simplicity of it is that the Processor asks a question or gives a command, and the client answers with whatever pops to view, which will be whatever it is.

For you new folks, "Itsa" is the slang term / contraction we use to refer to the answer being given to the processor by the client; that is, the client says: "Itsa cat or possibly a dog" instead of saying "It is a cat."  When the contraction is used as a verb, we say "The client itsas or itsad."

I'm too slow a typist to do more on the keyboard . . . I'll do a video as you've asked questions that require an array of answers



 

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Reply #3 –
Hello Roger,

Quote from: Roger
There is NO “should”  . . . The simplicity of it is that the Processor asks a question or gives a command, and the client answers with whatever pops to view, which will be whatever it is.
yes, I understand.

It comes up whatever comes up when the question triggers it.

My question was refering to a scenario where the processor asks for a positive but a negative pops to view in the clients universe BUT he does not tell you this and sits on it, thinking that he is supposed to come up with a positive.

I hope it's formulated better this time.

Best regards,
Christian


"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #4 –

Ok, I'm triggered...,  yes I thought of something-
   : Reminds me of times when I was pressured to say something "positive", like growing up, my mom and older sister would ask me what I thought of her newest boyfriend.  I'd tell them exactly what I observed and get told I was "being negative".  (usually six months later she'd be broken up with him and saying what a jerk he "turned out to be")
  And there's often social pressure 'if you can't say something good about someone, don't say anything at all'.   In the former practice, it would have been difficult if the auditor asked specifically for a "positive" as I'd think they're fishing for something.
  But aren't positive/negative just evaluations?  Answers my sister didn't like were "negative" even though they were often accurate.
   I see great value in the preparatory steps of creating a safe space relationship where a client or even ourselves feel safe enough to  apperceive their own actual answer.
 

 

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Reply #5 –
Hello Gquantao,
thank you for sharing :-)

This also gives me the opportunity to give an example to what I was trying to convey in my previous post.

Quote from: Gquantao on
  But aren't positive/negative just evaluations?  Answers my sister didn't like were "negative" even though they were often accurate.
In this context when you ask a processing question it is not an evaluation.
An example could be, you ask the client (this is a made-up question/command):
"Tell me a time when you were winning." (You are asking for a positive condition.)
But the client is only coming up with times when he was losing.

In my question to Roger I was asking what to do when a client who had negative times (in this example losing) pop to view but is not sharing with the processor and instead "tries hard" to come up with a time when/where he was winning.

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I see great value in the preparatory steps of creating a safe space relationship where a client or even ourselves feel safe enough to  apperceive their own actual answer.
Yes, you are absolutely right. However, sometimes you have new clients who are rather shy and don't want to do anything wrong etc. This is of course part of the Vital Fundamentals (talking to and opening up to people can be AN AREA OF FEAR).
In my experience it can take several sessions of online-processing before the client can really open up and begins to open up. I mean people really new to processing.

Best regards,
Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #6 –
Regarding my question based on the previous steps I had an OPTIMUM VISION and the intention creating that vision .
 But on the  question " Is there someone or something helping or empowering you to achieve your goal ? came up  saboteurs  .
The insight I had chatting with Roger was that the question can be tricky and the important thing is getting an item to work on .
After all the procedure is " Handling moods and CHARGE process questions " and saboteurs created charge .
In my case I can handle those items with others procedures like exp/create PR 4 and so on .
What I mean is that there are also other tools to use .

Researcher   

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Reply #7 –
Yes, I understand.

"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #8 –
Hi guys!

Mate @Christian, maybe Basic Processing Series 8, particularly points 3, 4 and 5, could help you with your client.

Cheers!
The truth is the way up.

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Reply #9 –
Hello Jorge,
do you mean
THE EIGHT BASIC PROCESSING TECHNIQUES
?

My question is a specific one.
I'll admit, English is not my first language and therefore can cause some "what he's talking about" on the receiving end.  :D

Thanks to the video I was reminded of an instance where I have (very probably) bypassed the charge of one client.
He couldn't find a positive but also did not volunteer a negative (that might have been there).
A question like: "Did anything else come to view?" or "Have you thought of something else?" would have done to keep the communication flow going.

Learning curve  :))

Thank you.

Best regards,
Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #10 –
Hi mate!

Yes, de-access questions works very well in this events.

So the reference is Basic Processing Series 8 - First Processing Case Advice.

Hope it helps.
The truth is the way up.

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Reply #11 –
Thank you Jorge!

Yes, it helps.

Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #12 –

A quick note on the above . . .

I was going to do a video for a quick response, but realized that processing it to save it as a zipped file in the DropBox would take as much time as my slow typing.

Reading the above, I see TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS got morphed into being one and the same “issues” . . . .

The original item as addressed between Mario and me in the video is: “what is happening and why do I (Mario) get negative answers presented when I am asked to find positive items” (the actual example given was that Mario in solo session asked the question, “Who or What is empowering or assisting you achieve your goal?”)

The answer I gave is that by being caused to take control of and knowingly direct your positive powers/Life-Force, you have accessed and triggered an old hung-up Life-Force flow on that subject.

It’s a similar situation as when you run the “Sovereign Knowing Voluntary Technique” . . . you take over control of the unwanted, involuntarily replicated intention and the earlier hung up involuntarily replicated intentions get unsettled and blow to view such that they can be then erased.

The above is its own subject.

A different subject was introduced in reply #1 above . . . when the question was raised:
Quote
Roger, what would you advise: when in session with a client, the client may not right away give away the answer with a negative item when he is supposed to look for a positive.
How long should I as the processor wait for the answer?
It may be visible that he is in a figure-figure mode, with a slight mood drop, on a meter a blow-down may manifest without an answer from the client.

This question relates to the technology underlying “The Process Cycle of Action” or also known as “The Process Comm(unication) Cycle” . . .

Viz: you ask a question the client understands and can answer, you await the answer, and acknowledge the answer when you receive it.

That is a MUST be done. The absolute 1st action of the processor is acknowledge the client answer! Any other think or opinion on the part of the processor can really screw the session up.

As to handling the situation, this is where experience helps.

Basically, the intent of processing is to unfix the client’s attention off of and from the hung up, involuntarily replicated, negative Life-Force we refer to as “case.”

And by unfixing his/her negative Life-Force to then restore the client to the position of being Source and cause of and over it.

So, watching your client closely as they answer your process question, you have to judge: is the client free from that area of negative charge or is there more to be addressed there . . .

And how do you know?  Well you can ASK THE CLIENT!

But here is where the processor with hours and hours of experience earns his/her premium fees . . .

You have heard of my reference to my “Patters” . . . this my array of potential answers, responses, and questions that can be used in responding to clients to help them get what they are after in session.

Example: watching a client closely and seeing they are looking in, fixated, after giving an answer to a question, the patter to respond with to help the client would be one of the following:
“You got some more on that?”
“Still got your attention on that?”
“Does that item/area need its own specific handling?

The advantage of using patters such as these is that the client sees you are really with him/her and understands what’s going on and can help!

Some of the worst processing I’ve ever experienced was at the Scn “Meca of technical perfection” in Florida . . . the problem being that the L’s type processors are trained to be rather robotic control freaks. They are trained to work ON the client: not WITH the client.

Rog



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Reply #13 –
Thank you Roger.
Very thorough answer. I appreciate that  :))

Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
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