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Rehabilitating "Lower Ethics Conditions" by defining the positive

This is a win I had with my girlfriend who was a staff member in the old game and was still hung up in "lower conditions".
If you had contact with the Ethics division of Scientology you will definitly be able to relate.

We left in 2011/2012.
Oficially my partner "blew" on lower conditions. But we know what happened: she was hung up on doubt.

It turns out that she never learned to "think" with the conditions, let alone with lower conditions. And in retrospect I can see that the level of literacy of the sups at the time when she joined was really lacking. Actually the whole "culture" of study and application was far south at this point.

Anyways, I had to revisit the conditions tech with her and I spotted the outpoint. It's an omitted and it is in all lower conditions up to emergency. What's omitted is telling the student what positive opposite should be in instead of the negative.

So I sat down today and defined it for myself first before I passed it on to her.
(I know that Alan also created a book with conditions and formulas but I wanted to clear this up before I pile something new on top of the old mess.)


Confusion<>Orientation
Treason<>Allegiance (loyalty or commitment to a superior or to a group or cause)
Enemy<>Ally (someone who cooperates with or helps another in a particular activity)
Doubt<>Gung ho
Liability<>Reliability


She had really great indicators after I showed it to her. (I wrote more than the above as we are working on a programm to bring in some positives into our mutual business.) She jumped right in to complete the conditions. :-)

For myself it was a great experience and another acknowledgment that the old tech is full of booby traps. It's actually really cruel to put attention on the negatives only.

I share this because I believe this can be of some help for some of you at some time (even with people who know nothing about our tech: bringing in or even indicating the positives is a blessing in action).

Best regards,
Christian

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Reply #1
Wonderful post, Christian!

Brilliant . . .

R

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Reply #2
Thank you, Roger.

Maybe you can speak to the times when "lower conditions" were released to the public back in late 60s?
This would be very interesting to me (and I may guess not only for me). Was it uplifting or rather counter productive at that time?

I know when I left the church I made a thorough "doubt" formula. It was really thorough with many questions up the lines of the organizational structure.
Once I finished the condition I was "gung ho" for a new game. Nothing could bring me back or stop me from the new vision I was setting up for me and Sabine.
I know there is benefit to do the conditions, even the booby traped one if the individual is in good hands or has enough understanding of the mechanics. But this tech was abused a lot and I often saw people who never climbed back up the conditions once they were on lower conditions for too long.

What was your experience back in late 60s ? :))

Best regards,
Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #3
THE CONDITIONS TECH AND NEGATIVE SCIENTOLOGY

Good questions, Christian.

The history of Scn and things Hubbard shows that the beginnings of newly released techs were routinely positive, uplifting and productive.

And that was the case with “The Conditions” as well.

Originally, in 1965, Hubbard released what was called “The Operating Conditions” and also referred to as “The Five Conditions.”

These were absolutely POSITIVE and valuable tech.  They addressed how to keep the organization (or self) running at optimum . . . I don’t have the original bulletins to hand, but the Conditions of Operation first listed, from memory were Danger, Emergency, Normal, Affluence & Power.  Then Non-Existence was added.  And all this was good positive stuff that very much helped folks and the operation of the org.

It was not until November (?) 1967 (I was on staff in London) that the NEGATIVE and destructive aspects of the Conditions Tech began to be introduced. The first being the introduction of “LIABILITY.”  I well remember Herbie Parkhouse coming up from St. Hill as a result of being assigned in Liability to carry out his version of the Formula.  He was in TERROR, and chose to come to London to do his “Strike a Blow At The ENEMY” step of the formula. The enemy he selected was some Psychiatrist or other.  Quite mad, really.

Following that, in the very beginning of 1968, the LOWER conditions were released (Enemy and Doubt) . . . and even later Treason and later still Confusion.

But, typical of the class of humanity that is Yellow Zone and below, who are NOT UP TO PUTTING IN THE POSITIVE, but who instead fixate on opposing the negative, even the Positive original “Five Conditions Tech” was managed to be misused to run “make-wrongs” and negatives on the environment.

Example: The Danger Formula.  The first step of which is: “Bypass and handle any danger, etc.”

Well, OK, bypassing the guy who had the scene go into danger to then get things going again is reasonable . . . but too often this step was used to make the person responsible for the danger wrong, was carried out for too long, and the guy did not get coached and hatted so he could do it right in future . . . with the result being he forever operated in fear of screwing up again.

But the most egregious error of all was the failure to carry out the “develop policy that will hereafter detect possible danger condition events and prevent them from occurring.” 

That is, this very POSITIVE action was routinely skimped or omitted all together.

However, once “The Ethics Conditions” were introduced in November, 1967, and onwards, the whole scene and that body of tech was negatively used as a weapon.

And hence the crashing of Orgs because the whole place was thus operating in FEAR.

But that is simply the product of Hubbard and his “SADISTIC DOMINATOR” identity . . . what else can one expect from a (mis)leader who throws old ladies who cannot swim overboard off the ship, or who puts children into the terror of the chain locker, or who orders an old man to push a peanut around the deck with his nose?

Remember, this is the guy who fixated his tech on address to the NEGATIVE, classic examples are his switch in 1962 from the valuable use of Rockslams to find hot identities on the case, to then use them as representing you as being an enemy to him personally and to his organization; also his switching from addressing your OWN Goals to asserting that you had to run all those stupid implants (Helatrobus, and Heaven, etc.) he asserted were affecting you: hence the abandonment of the powerful positives of your own purposes (this was done in April 1963).  And of course, the negative war he waged against the positive of our essential spiritual team connections . . . and this last one is what sent him down into his own little insanity of “swatting all those flies on his body.”

Hubbard, himself, was the exemplar of negative tech and negative applications.

So much of early Scn was positive and capable of producing positive results, but Hubbard himself, turned it negative in both structure and application.

Rog


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Reply #4
Great!
Thank you Roger for the recollection.

Yeah, and what a mad and unsafe environment it was even then.
In Nothern Germany we have a saying: the fish stinks from the head first. How true in the case of Scientology.

What is most ridiculous when it comes to the tech: it's full of gems but peppered with booby traps. Holographic comprehension of the whole is important to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Actually I remember when I sat on course and studied I often wondered why what I read is not reflected in the aplication around me.


You wrote:
Quote from: Roger Boswarva
The history of Scn and things Hubbard shows that the beginnings of newly released techs were routinely positive, uplifting and productive.

And that was the case with “The Conditions” as well.

Originally, in 1965, Hubbard released what was called “The Operating Conditions” and also referred to as “The Five Conditions.”

These were absolutely POSITIVE and valuable tech.  They addressed how to keep the organization (or self) running at optimum . . . I don’t have the original bulletins to hand, but the Conditions of Operation first listed, from memory were Danger, Emergency, Normal, Affluence & Power.  Then Non-Existence was added.  And all this was good positive stuff that very much helped folks and the operation of the org.

There were definitely great times and great moments of application. It may sound stupid, but I wouldn't want to have missed the experience. Good wake up call in eternity.  :))
Definitely many lessons learned how to do it better in the next iteration.

As to the Conditions of Operation... yes, this was the right designation of the concept. I had some great wins with doing conditions in my life. (This was not always the case though, mostly when conditions were assigned from the outside I stalled for months on end.)

Again Roger, thank you for the history!

Christian



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Reply #5
Confusion   <>   Orientation
Treason   <>   Allegiance (loyalty or commitment to a superior or to a group or cause)
Enemy   <>   Ally (someone who cooperates with or helps another in a particular activity)
Doubt   <>   Gung ho
Liability   <>   Reliability


 Thanks, Christian
   I really appreciate this.  I also found great value in the Conditions Formulas but often thought they should've been named differently, like instead of Non-E, something along the lines of 'becoming existent' but I never thought of any satisfactory phrases. Also wanted a different terminology so I could share the ideas with people without it being connected to the CoS and their terrible reputation.
 I never thought about re-naming the lower conditions but now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense, and puts your attention on what you're trying to achieve.  Time to revisit the whole thing  :-)

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Yes, Non-Existence is not the best descriptive word for this condition.

What is this Condition and where is the condition's formula supposed to result in?
You want to establish yourself or your coachee or client in a state of knowing what his lines and products or services are and delivering the products/services. It's familiarity with the role or post and all that goes along with it + actually delivering what the role/post is supposed to deliver.
Quality and Quantity isn't high yet, not sustainable. That's why the next Condition is one that should pick up whatever is in the way of real sustainable production (both: things/habbits/policies/actions  that need to be gotten rid of aswell as things/habbits/policies/actions that need to be put IN) .

Anyways, the positive to achieve with the formula could be named: Familiarity. The chap isn't yet really producing in a sustainable amount but he is getting there by becoming familiar with what is needed/wanted, the lines etc. Also terminals around him are getting familiar with him as is he with them also. It's actually somewhat true that one is in a state of non-existence when no one around him is familiar with him or what he is actually producing/delivering. 

I hope this helps.

Christian



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Reply #7
Thanks Christian, Roger and Gquantao!

And Christian congratulations for your win!

Christian wrote:
"It's actually really cruel to put attention on the negatives only." I agree with this.

I think it's not a matter just for the old tech cult, but almost the world culture is fixed in this paradigm. Finding the prior positive intention, the optimum positive mood, the positive precept, the positive vision, and realigning our life force to get our positive goals, is the brilliance and blessing of this tech. Roger cannot emphasize more on that and I see pleasantly that the applying of this powerful piece of tech brings more results than 1000 hours of searching the negative and triyng to solve it putting more solutions on it.

It's a brilliant idea to see the old conditions in that way as Christian did as the levels of existence, putting together the both sides of the state and consciousness, and indeed everything! I visualize the levels of existence like a leader, the first step could be the negative and then we get thought it and handle it and as a result we put ourselves in the next positive step, then going up we find another negative step, we handle it and then we climb up to the positive and so  :D . If we don't handle the step or or we lower our awareness of the situation, then we go down one or various steps  :'( .

I'm convinced that our true nature is on the side of our true positive being, not on the false negative side of us.

Let's get and empower our true positive being, ideals, codes and goals and expand it enormously!

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Reply #8
Yeah. Well said, and thank you.

One of the possible reasons why humans tend to see only the negative may be because the mind is constantly engaged in problem solving. Problems are seen as negative obstacles. Living beyond the mind, transcending the mind, gives a totally new perspective on life and problems. We still want to change conditions and optimize, but it's from a different, more causative state (rather than being negative effect of what is).
Just after I got my Codes pin-pointed with Roger I was not using my mind machinery for over three weeks or so (or should I say I was not being run by it)  :)) . This was a magical state indeed. (Definitely work to do for me to be constantly in this state, but it's definitely a real state.)

Best regards,
Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Reply #9
Good thread you guys created here . . . this below from Jorge is pure gold!

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I'm convinced that our true nature is on the side of our true positive being, not on the false negative side of us.

Let's get and empower our true positive being, ideals, codes and goals and expand it enormously!

To be noted is that Alan referred to this area of tech and subject as being PROCESSES.

In other words his address to correcting and upgrading CONDITIONS OF EXISTENCE WAS DONE BY APPLYING THE CORRECT PROCESS TO ENSURE POSITIVE UPGRADED OUTCOMES.

And that is quite a different approach to life than Hubbard's application of humiliation (dirty rag on arm anyone??) and punishment.

Rog

Book removed for violation of Copyright . . .

 

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Reply #10
Actually, the book linked above is not the one I wanted to link . . . similar, but different.

This book now linked is the definitive tech on the PROCESSES to run to upgrade OPERATING CONDITIONS!

This document is A MASTERPIECE!!

 :))

Rog

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Reply #11
Bonjour Roger :)
It's been a long time...
I'm looking for ethics references to use on other persons I am helping right now. Your recall is very interesting, as I never had thought about the relevance of ethics condition.
Of course I suffered of strange application of ethics, but thought it was due to ??? human being ???
The document you joined seems very interesting. Do you have others that I can use?
I really have to change my viewpoint now, what a game  [:idea:] 
Waiting for you reply, I will study the document.
Au revoir !!

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Reply #12
Fleur, no, that's the extent of my brilliance on the subject of operating conditions and "ethics conditions."

Other than to say, when you find something works and betters conditions  , , ,  do more of it.  If something is not getting the positive results you want: change what or the way you are doing it.

The operating conditions tech is valid and good tech . . . the Ethics Conditions are a negative, bastardized application of "assigning conditions" as a method of negative control and invalidation of a persons sovereignty.

Rog

 

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