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Fitting definition of Precept?


 I've been struggling to understand the meaning of the word, even though I've looked at the definition many times, it just never clicked for some reason.
 Today I was listening to a coaching session video by Robert Fritz, he says this "... what's not over is the conclusion you made about which then becomes the concept which you guide yourself based on"
  Seems like a good explanation of precept for Clean Slate.
    On target or off base, what do you think?

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Hi G !

Seems a good definition to me.

Thanks!

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It often helps when you check for the etymology of the words.

The main part of the word precept goes back to capere, which is the same in words like concept, perception. The etymological root goes back to proto-indo-european "kap" with the meaning of "to grasp, to hold etc.", a very old word indeed. You can read more here:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/*kap-#etymonline_v_52557

That said, while your definition is right (especially that "you guide yourself based on" -- but also you evaluate others and everything based on them) it misses the part that precepts can be instilled in a person's thinking by foreign agents (without the person noticing it as such) like upbringing, education, scientific paradims, culture, religion, the W.H.O. (sorry, could not resist) etc.

Hope this helps.
Christian

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Christian, your definition does make a difference. In short a preconceived idea about something.
Am i correct ?

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Yes, agreed . . . the word is a bitch to try and directly get a full working comprehension of!!

In 1994 when I first collided with the original CleanSlate R/D :-[  I couldn't help but think: "What the hell are you doing, Alan?  Why select this word to ram down our throats!?"

But basically, the basis of what we are getting at with this word "PRECEPT(s)" as they relate to our case is:
What are the beliefs that dictate your behavior.  What are your automatic responses and behaviors to the stimuli and events around you?  Connected to (the events of life) what operating paradigms dictate or determine your responses?


So, how do we stupidly inflict "precepts" on ourselves??? _)L we do it in erroneous response to what we perceive!!  This copied below is a lesson in the "WINNING IN LIFE" Course I've been working on . . . note that I have made improvements to the old SPIEPIR sequence.

LESSON TWO

WANTS, PURPOSE AND GOALS

THE FORCE THAT DRIVES ACCOMPLISHMENT

Having studied the above three items for the last sixty-two years, I have come to the conclusion that they form a hierarchy.

As I posted recently on my research forum, some 15 years ago I presented to THE SIR JOHN TEMPLETON FOUNDATION- as part of its Scientific Investigation into the subject of Purpose, my observations and findings.  My write-up was written to meet the expectations of the Foundation whose objective is the supporting of the belief in God and the application of that belief in the pursuit of science.  Hence the particular language my forum members likely noted.

But more to the point, the subject of purpose is a BIG subject, as expounded on in my presentation.

Back in around 1961, I wrote to a guy purporting to be researching these matters, on the subject of purpose.  My view was that purpose indeed forms and is at the basis of the aberrative impediments we developed.  My view, even then, was that it was in the pursuit of our purpose(s) that we had built up the “charge,” force and mass that today we refer to as our “case.”  Today, you’ll note that this finding has been proven correct, and is the basis of our “Charge Handling Process.”  (The researcher I communicated to, it turned out, screwed up and developed his infamous Goals Problems Mass (own goals GPM) technology beginning in early 1962 that damaged so many folks.)  We use the word “case” to refer to the condition you are in or the aspect of your existence we are addressing to upgrade.  It is used in the same sense that doctors treat a patient’s case or that detectives solve cases.

But it turns out there is a sequence, and even a hierarchy, of development involved.  To view this, let us look at an expanded view of our famous SPEIEPIR sequence of successful creation, as follows.  (The acronym represents: Spirit, Perceive, Evaluate, Intend, Envision, Planning, Implementation and Result.)

As a Spiritual presence, one directs and deploys one’s awareness to Perceive what one is addressing and relating with.  At the highest level of this action one apperceives the “what” of the Being or thing being addressed and, based on one’s extant wants and knowledge brought to bear in the endeavor, one analyzes and Evaluates the scenario as to opportunity and potential outcomes and then pursues one’s extant wants or forms new wants with the purpose of achieving such.  Hence the Intention element of our SPEIEPIR sequence.  Next, one Envisions the exactitude of the what, where, when of the expression of one’s want followed by the Planning of the actions to be Implemented for its Resulting attainment.

As you progress on this course we will be addressing each of the elements of the SPEIEPIR Sequence to empower them and restore them to your knowing control.

To be noted is the point that good and complete dictionaries show the words “purpose” and “intention” as being synonyms.

Also, do not go past that word “apperceive.”  It may well be new to you, and it is vitally important that you NEVER go past words for which you do not have a clear understanding as to definition and meaning.  To do so will always stick you with “mind fog” and degrees of unconsciousness.  It is the guaranteed, sure way to kill your capacity to perform.  (See our lesson on Not Knowing What You are Doing.)

Definition: Apperceive from Dictionary.com
      1.  to have conscious perception of; comprehend.
      2.  to comprehend (a new idea) by assimilation with the sum of one's previous knowledge and experience.

Note the application of one’s extant knowledge and experience in definition #2.

Apperception:
      1.  conscious perception.
      2.  the act or process of apperceiving.

Hence, one begins with a want, develops the purpose to achieve it and then forms the goals necessary to attain and fulfill the want.

Hence we can see the progression and hierarchical nature of our WANTS, PURPOSE AND GOALS.

To be noted is the point that our SPEIEPIR sequence is indeed the ANATOMY OF CAUSATION and SEQUENCE OF SUCCESSFUL CREATION.

Roger


PS: More to come on this  . . . umm, special for you active guys.


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OK, as you know we have word-cum-character limitations to our posts here so, rather than break this one up into parts, I attach it as a pdf.

This post delineates and describes precisely where, when, why and how do we screw ourselves up with and by creating "precepts," attitudes towards, believes and automatic operating bases and paradigms . . .


It's done in the step of my expanded SPEIEPIR that Alan missed in his original . . . it's that EVALUATION action we carry out relative to what is perceived.  We evaluate what we are confronted with in order to determine our appropriate response!!!

It turns out that Alan and I had/have different case emphasis.  But that is a subject for another thread.
(M&

Rog
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Christian, your definition does make a difference. In short a preconceived idea about something.
Am i correct ?


It's always good to check etymology of words and break them down in their parts.

Precepts are a substitute for perception. (See the similarity of the words, only the prefix differes.)
They have it's use. Are good as we can work easily if the precepts are applicable to the tasks or environment we are working at or operating in.
If wrong or biased they will taint our perception and screw up the evaluation step.
(Like a "held down seven".)

All in all precepts are not bad per se.
The Paradigm Matrix Book speaks a lot about Clean Slates. Good data.


Best regards,
Christian
"A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Roger,

When you mentioned above: "It may well be new to you, and it is vitally important that you NEVER go past words for which you do not have a clear understanding as to definition and meaning.  To do so will always stick you with "mind fog" and degrees of unconsciousness.  It is the guaranteed, sure way to kill your capacity to perform."

I got a big smile on my face when i read the above. That is really true, because I ran into a crazy amount of Mind Fog my i was trying to learn my 3rd and 4th Language.

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Roger,

When you mentioned above: "It may well be new to you, and it is vitally important that you NEVER go past words for which you do not have a clear understanding as to definition and meaning.  To do so will always stick you with "mind fog" and degrees of unconsciousness.  It is the guaranteed, sure way to kill your capacity to perform."

I got a big smile on my face when i read the above. That is really true, because I ran into a crazy amount of Mind Fog my i was trying to learn my 3rd and 4th Language.
3rd and 4th language!!!!

I find that wonderful . . .  I did a bit of language "learning" in days past (French and then German) . . . just a bit . . . I gave up on it as it was really taking up too much of a) my time and b) my BRAIN POWER . . . I came to the conclusion that I had better things to do with my time and energy! (/O

However, I have observed in myself that even among "English speakers" I find I can be given a dose of mind fog due to pronunciation differences.  Being an Aussie, I can have trouble deciphering what the English utter on occasion . . . particularly those stuffed shirt Public School (they're actually PRIVATE, pay LOTS of money to get in schools . . .but historically termed "public" as they began life outside of the Church.  Eton and Harrow are two well known examples.)
These guys seem to be always trying to sound upper-crust by speaking without properly opening their mouths , , , Prince Charles is a classic example.
I can actually get mind fog when I fail to decipher a word they have mumbled! 
Knowing the phenomena has saved me a lot of brain cells!

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 I've been struggling to understand the meaning of the word, even though I've looked at the definition many times, it just never clicked for some reason.
 Today I was listening to a coaching session video by Robert Fritz, he says this "... what's not over is the conclusion you made about which then becomes the concept which you guide yourself based on"
  Seems like a good explanation of precept for Clean Slate.
    On target or off base, what do you think?
By the way Guys and Gals . . . when one runs into this phenomenon of difficulty in understanding and using words that you have defined, there is a handling.

Look for if you have put an earlier invented/adopted definition into your mind (or space) into which you are now trying to fit the newly learned meaning. 

I have used the questions: "An earlier "similar" definition in the way of the one I'm now trying to learn and apply?"  or, "Do I have an earlier adopted definition blocking or getting in the way of this one?"


Also silly precepts and earlier adopted thoughts/beliefs such as: "It's all too difficult." "I don't/can't get it." "I'm not interested!"

These will all act as blockers.

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About the Reply 8: (3rd and 4th Language without being very good at all of them, a massive amount of misunderstood words on my 3rd and 4th. When working on my 3rd, i realized that the brain fog i had most of them them never left and just stayed there. And i don t want to Define every word, it would not be a good use of my time. )

About the Reply 9: (When you say:"These will all act as blockers." How do you annihilate those blockers ?)

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"How do you annihilate those blockers ?"

   I'm going to guess Clean Slate and the repeater technique if one can identify the blocking precepts.  If there's another process for addressing it, I'll all ears.

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Well, there is the old datum that said "no two things can occupy the same space."

An incorrect definition for a word, may or may not be or be acting as a "precept" . . .

In my personal experience, I have usually simply recognized the presence of the false datum of the incorrect earlier definition and decided its removal just by decision as you do when you change your mind about anything.

It's when they don't "blow" on being spotted as false then know that another layer of case in need of address is revealed . . . and here it might be a precept that is causing it to be held in place "for some reason or other."

New folks typically do not understand the powers they have and the ease with which those powers can be wielded  . . .  you actually are capable of changing your mind and able to add to or remove from it as you choose.

One could even devise a drill/process procedure to empower this capacity.

Example: 1) "Recall a time when you changed your mind (or its content) about something"
2) When was that
3) What was the item changed
4) In what way was it changed
(Remember to acknowledge the answer given to each of of the above questions.  This is important as the acknowledgement ends the action of seeking the answer and delivering it by signalling fulfillment of the endeavor.  You can actually hang folks up in unfulfilled endeavors when you fail to acknowledge.  LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN SOMEONE ASKS YOU TO DO SOMETHING FOR THEM, LIKE "PLEASE PASS THE SALT" WHILE AT DINNER . . . AND THEY DON'T THANK YOU FOR DOING SO!!!

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